ctimine would have every right to be angry at odysseus and not forgive him ( odysseus actions nad choices led to his 600 men being killed and he didnt care about how she felt
ctimine is odysseus sister and eurymachas wife
( Igot done talking to someone who repeatedly tried to insist odysseus isnt at fault or that eury wasnt completely justified in the mutiny over odysseus betraying them ( and they outright ignore the details to insist on the point that scylla was the only path forward ignoring the fact that odysseus didnt tell them about scylla on top of that he had them light 6 torches so scylla would target them ( and he intended on eurymachas being one of them)
and they try to falsely equate it to eurymachas going we are facing someone we cant beat ( circe) we have no way of saving the men who were turned into pigs ( we stumbled upon her where the moment she said come inside she had them without hermes they had no way of getting circe into a position to convince her to stop
Eurylochus there was talking about abandoning men he thought were already doomed, as opposed to willingly sacrifice them like Odysseus did with the Scylla incident, which is what really makes Eurylochus rebel ( odysseus didnt tell them about scylla
( this isnt him sacrificing his brothers this is him performing a tactical retreat( odysseus using his men as tools who can be disposed of and insuring his own safety by using the torches to make sure he was safe is the issue so it REally doesnt matter that it was theo nly way saying that to the crew wont matter the issue was the torches
if odysseus hadnt used the torches and told them about scylla there would be no mutiny ( 6 people dying in casualties
I even saw people try to claim he must have suspected something because he doubted people before like lotus eaters.)
( the issue isnt that odysseus didnt fight scylla the issue is that he didnt tell them about her and used the torches to turn people into targets and keep himself safe
"Eurylochus' despair. Presumably he loved his wife—knowing her own brother would be willing to break her heart to get what he wanted probably broke Eurylochus too ( in the mutiny.
- Following off of that, in the original source, there are no accounts of Ctimene ever remarrying while Eurylochus was away, either. It's implied that, like Penelope, Ctimene had waited all those years for her husband to come home, only for him to lose hope of ever returning again and commit a fatal mistake in his despair. Unlike Odysseus and Penelope, Eurylochus and Ctimene will never get to reunite in life, and unless Odysseus is willing to share the story with her, Ctimene will never know what happened to him."
- Eurylochus and the crew mates had mutinied against Odysseus in response to him sacrificing six of them to Scylla. It's generally agreed that Odysseus didn't make this choice out of any malice whatsoever (as Scylla's lair was the ONLY option in regards to avoiding Poseidon), and given everything he went through, he is still a largely sympathetic in spite of his morally debatable actions simply because he is so motivated to see Penelope and Telemachus again. However, what sparked the fight in the first place, a fact that Eurylochus even brings up, is that Odysseus, despite having the understandable motive to see his family again, completely set aside the fact that he wasn't the only one who had loved ones waiting for him back at Ithaca.
- Adding to that, Eurylochus being the one to point this out isn't just to add merit to him leading the mutiny- it's because he and Odysseus are in-laws, related through Eurylochus' marriage to Odysseus' sister, Ctimene. With Eurylochus having nearly become one of Scylla's sacrifices, he realized that meant he now just as susceptible to his captain's ruthlessness, and that Odysseus could have willingly taken away his AND Ctimene's chance of ever seeing each other again. In other words, Odysseus could have knowingly widowed his own sister just to see his own wife again.
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(first time was with polyphemus where telling his name and identity got most of his fleet killed ( then with scylla the first time he willingly betrayed his men ( also Hephaestus' first line in God Games shares a melody with Scylla's lines in her song—aka the first time Odysseus willingly betrays his men ( hephaestus line is about odysseus betrayal
led rightfully to the mutiny ( and eury ended up losing trust in odysseus and faith that they would get home) if odysseus didnt betray them the whole killing the cow ( and eury losing hope) wouldnt have happened for odysseus would have allowed eury to keep hope and stop him keeping the despair fog from him
why would eury trust him
I feel the fandom has some protagonist centered morality in regards to ody
they willl ignore odysseus actual actions and try to foist the blame on eury and act li
"Nope. Odysseus just went about Scylla in the actual worst way possible. That mutiny was completely justified. The fandom has a real issue with trying to make everything Eurylochus's fault and making Odysseus completely innocent, completely missing the entire theme of Epic.
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"No you don’t understand. Withholding the truth from your crew and using them like objects to be traded away to a violent sea monster is totally based actually. There was definitely no other way to handle that situation. It’s not like Odyssey Odysseus handled the situation differently and managed to avoid a mutiny.
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